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Re: Things that used to be clear (was Re: Evolving Documents (nee "Living Documents") side meeting at IETF105.)

Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Wed, 10 July 2019 15:06 UTC

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From: Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>
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Subject: Re: Things that used to be clear (was Re: Evolving Documents (nee "Living Documents") side meeting at IETF105.)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 11:06:42 -0400
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Cc: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>, Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de>, IETF Rinse Repeat <ietf@ietf.org>
To: Richard Barnes <rlb@ipv.sx>
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On Jul 10, 2019, at 11:05 AM, Richard Barnes <rlb@ipv.sx> wrote:
> I'm guessing many more just don't contribute.

No, I mean what do they use that makes them think what we use is hard?

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