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Re: On XML and $EDITORs (Re: Things that used to be clear (was ...)) "Living Documents") side meeting at IETF105.)

Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com> Thu, 11 July 2019 17:12 UTC

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From: Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
To: Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de>
Cc: Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com>, Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>, Christian Huitema <huitema@huitema.net>, Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>, IETF Discussion Mailing List <ietf@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: On XML and $EDITORs (Re: Things that used to be clear (was ...)) "Living Documents") side meeting at IETF105.)
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On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 04:25:32PM +0200, Julian Reschke wrote:
> On 11.07.2019 15:41, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 2:51 AM Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com
> > <mailto:mellon@fugue.com>> wrote:
> >     Given that the RFC input format is XML, any editor that doesn’t
> >     operate on that XML is always going to put you at a disadvantage.
> >     It would be nice if there were a standard format we could use, but I
> >     don’t know of one that would work.  Using markdown, or Latex, or
> >     whatever, just adds one more layer of translation you have to deal
> >     with later.   I occasionally try to use markdown, but keep reverting
> >     back to XML because it’s just one less step.
> > 
> > The XML2RFC markup requires me to make edits in three different places
> > to do references. Using Word as my source editor, I only put the
> 
> No, it does not. Two places.
> 
> The insertion of the second one could indeed be automated, but then you
> would have to give a hint about normative vs informative.

That would be nice, actually, though if you have to xrefs to the same
document, which two xrefs diagree as to normativity you'd have a
problem, but whatever.

> > citation where I want it to go and the converter does all the rest.
> > 
> > Since I have a form of dyslexia, I rely on Word to check spelling. It is
> > also useful to have the grammar checking where Microsoft doesn't get it
> > wrong. Their team seems to be under the misapprehension that Skunk and
> > Blight isn't stupid and ignorant. At any rate, passive voice is often
> > what is wanted in technical documentation.
> > ...
> 
> I occasionally use Word for that (generate HTML, copy, paste into Word).

Ah, yes, spell checking is one reason I like to use LyX: it has spell
checking functionality (including continuous spell-checking).

But I don't have to copy/paste around -- I just use LyX then lyx2rfc
(directly from File->Export->rfc).

Nico
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