Re: [v6ops] reclassify 464XLAT as standard instead of info

Ole Troan <otroan@employees.org> Fri, 22 September 2017 12:26 UTC

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Subject: Re: [v6ops] reclassify 464XLAT as standard instead of info
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s/d/t. Sorry. 

> On 22 Sep 2017, at 14:17, Ole Troan <otroan@employees.org> wrote:
> 
> Gerd,
> 
>> On 22 Sep 2017, at 13:48, Gert Doering <gert@space.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>>> On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 05:07:19PM +1000, Mark Andrews wrote:
>>> IPv6 applications need to add code to WORKAROUND breakages caused
>>> by NAT64 the way they need add WORKAROUNDS for the NAT breakages
>>> even if they are not using NAT64 or NAT respectively.  The cancer
>>> that is NAT64 needs to be eradicated.
>> 
>> It will nicely go away if all endpoints are reachable over v6.
> 
> I think that’s the concern. That it will not. 
> IPv6 applications will have code to accommodate for NAT64 forever. 
> 
> Of course that’s slightly tangential to 464xlat which is just a poor IPv4 over IPv6 tunnel with null encap and session state. 
> 
> Ole
> 
> 
>> 
>> Please make that happen!
>> 
>> Gert Doering
>>       -- NetMaster
>> -- 
>> have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?
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