RE: Call for Community Feedback: Retiring IETF FTP Service

Roman Danyliw <rdd@cert.org> Mon, 30 November 2020 14:55 UTC

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From: Roman Danyliw <rdd@cert.org>
To: "ned+ietf@mauve.mrochek.com" <ned+ietf@mauve.mrochek.com>, Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>
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Subject: RE: Call for Community Feedback: Retiring IETF FTP Service
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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2020 14:55:49 +0000
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Hi!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ietf <ietf-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of
> ned+ietf@mauve.mrochek.com
> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 9:37 AM
> To: Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>
> Cc: ietf@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: Call for Community Feedback: Retiring IETF FTP Service
> 
> > On 11/30/20 9:23 AM, Julian Reschke wrote:
> 
> > > Over here, Firefox saves the originally received text file, so does
> > > Chrome.
> 
> > Perhaps that behavior has changed.   When you learn a way to work
> > around damage, you tend to keep doing that even after the damage gets
> fixed.
> 
> True. but more to the point, are you willing to bet that this behavior is never
> ever going to change in any future version?
> 
> If so, I have a couple of bridges you may be interested in purchasing at Cyber
> Monday discount prices.

I'm having trouble understanding the failure mode.  Is the issue at hand that when one uses a browser to download say https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc7230.txt, a text file isn't being returned?  Furthermore, is the concern that browser vendors have changed their behavior over time when saving .txt files?

Roman