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Re: Call for Community Feedback: Retiring IETF FTP Service

John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> Thu, 26 November 2020 02:17 UTC

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From: John Levine <johnl@taugh.com>
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Subject: Re: Call for Community Feedback: Retiring IETF FTP Service
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In article <2e2afd2e-7eaf-5758-ece6-c92df2608dbe@network-heretics.com> you write:
>On 11/25/20 3:54 PM, John Levine wrote:
>
>> I don't care what OS you're running, but I do observe that rsync has
>> been widely available for well over 20 years. Anything too old to run
>> rsync strikes me as a corner case of a corner case.
>
>I don't get this argument.   You have a tool that you find useful, 
>great!   That's not an excuse to disrupt use of a tool that other people 
>find useful.

To point out the obvious, the IETF's staff and financial resources are
not infinite. Based on Roman's numbers, we seem to be talking about a
dozen FTP users and at least thousands if not tens of thousands of
rsync and https users. I find arguments that we should ignore the
numbers because a few individuals think they might be inconvenienced
unpersuasive.

The previous message about technical debt summed up the issue pretty well.

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