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Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> Mon, 13 June 2022 18:22 UTC

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Subject: Re: Harassment, abuse, accountability. and IETF mailing lists
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To: Tim Bray <tbray@textuality.com>
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On 6/13/22 13:31, Tim Bray wrote:

> What we have is at best anecdata, but I strongly disagree.  I have 
> personal experience with wonderful people who have walked away saying 
> some variation on "all those pissy greybeards waiting to pounce".  
> Don't personally know anyone who (a) has walked away because of the 
> "politeness police" and (b) is regretted.

I do.  And the "politeness police" were also inexcusably prejudiced.

Keith

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