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Re: Bad/Good ideas and damage control by experienced participants

Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> Tue, 21 June 2022 00:20 UTC

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On 6/20/22 17:33, Nick Hilliard wrote:

>> We REALLY need to get past the notion that Bad People Discouraging 
>> Newcomers are the problem with IETF.   I'm 100% serious.   Our 
>> problems are MUCH deeper than that, and that kind of argument is 
>> inherently divisive because it encourages efforts to get rid of 
>> and/or marginalize the supposed Bad People.   That kind of thinking 
>> is toxic, and utterly incompatible with building consensus.
>
> it's not helpful to characterise this in terms of "bad people". The 
> underlying issues relate to approach and attitude, rather than 
> personalisation. 

I'm not sure that's an improvement.  How do you judge people's "approach 
and attitude" without making dubious assumptions about their intent?

Keith

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