Re: Bad/Good ideas and damage control by experienced participants

[Miles Fidelman <[e-mail]>]

Keith Moore wrote:
>
> On 6/21/22 10:43, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote:
>
>>     Though an alternative path might be to develop an academic
>>     discipline of
>>     Internet protocol engineering, and expect Internet protocol
>>     engineers to
>>     have degrees in that discipline.   But I don't have a tremendous
>>     amount
>>     of faith in academia to preserve wisdom.   Better than nothing, I
>>     suppose.
>>
>>
>> Academia is broken as a research venue. Its publish or perish and you 
>> can only publish if you are following fashion. So appling 1990s 
>> technology to securing data at rest isn't going to win anyone tenure.
>>
>> The problem I see in the IETF is that the Internet is being turned 
>> into a series of walled gardens and the IETF can't do anything to 
>> stop that because most of the participants work for one of the 
>> companies busy building the walls.
>>
>> The issue isn't unique to IETF either. There are dozens of IoT 
>> alliances, most of which have multiple big players involved. But they 
>> are all built around enabling the MBA school dream of imposing a 
>> razor and blades model on consumers. As if it makes any sense for 
>> consumers to pay $10/month to subscribe to a service so they can turn 
>> their lights on and off.
>
> Agree entirely.  Could not have said it better myself.
>
> Keith
>
Which kind of raises the question of "who speaks & stands for the core 
philosophies behind the Internet?"  Perhaps a role for ISOC and the IAB 
- while there are still those of us around who remember the earliest 
days of the net.

Perhaps starting with updating "Tao of the IETF," perhaps - making it a 
little more official.

Miles

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