Re: Bad/Good ideas and damage control by experienced participants

[Miles Fidelman <[e-mail]>]

Keith Moore wrote:
> On 6/21/22 05:05, Lloyd W wrote:
>
>> it takes a village to raise a baby.
>> it should take an IETF to raise a newbie.
>>
>> Everyone's job, etc.
>
> concur.    And if there's not a functioning IETF community that has 
> the shared goal of building and maintaining the Internet ecosystem for 
> the general good, I don't see how that can work. But IETF has largely 
> destroyed the sense of community that once existed.
>
> Though an alternative path might be to develop an academic discipline 
> of Internet protocol engineering, and expect Internet protocol 
> engineers to have degrees in that discipline.   But I don't have a 
> tremendous amount of faith in academia to preserve wisdom.   Better 
> than nothing, I suppose.
Good point.  The lack of awareness of  basic design philosophy 
(interoperability, avoiding walled gardens, etc.) is appalling.

It seems like, these days, all people do is promulgate broken mechanisms 
(e.g., DMARC), in the name of blocking resource sharing & collaboration 
- bringing us back to the days of a walled gardens and closer to the 
days of the Tower of Babel, at the same time no less.  And they do it, 
largely, by going around IETF processes entirely.

Miles Fidelman




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