Re: Bad/Good ideas and damage control by experienced participants

Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> Tue, 21 June 2022 16:00 UTC

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Subject: Re: Bad/Good ideas and damage control by experienced participants
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To: Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com>
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On 6/21/22 10:43, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote:

>     Though an alternative path might be to develop an academic
>     discipline of
>     Internet protocol engineering, and expect Internet protocol
>     engineers to
>     have degrees in that discipline.   But I don't have a tremendous
>     amount
>     of faith in academia to preserve wisdom.   Better than nothing, I
>     suppose.
>
>
> Academia is broken as a research venue. Its publish or perish and you 
> can only publish if you are following fashion. So appling 1990s 
> technology to securing data at rest isn't going to win anyone tenure.
>
> The problem I see in the IETF is that the Internet is being turned 
> into a series of walled gardens and the IETF can't do anything to stop 
> that because most of the participants work for one of the companies 
> busy building the walls.
>
> The issue isn't unique to IETF either. There are dozens of IoT 
> alliances, most of which have multiple big players involved. But they 
> are all built around enabling the MBA school dream of imposing a razor 
> and blades model on consumers. As if it makes any sense for consumers 
> to pay $10/month to subscribe to a service so they can turn their 
> lights on and off.

Agree entirely.  Could not have said it better myself.

Keith