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Re: Harassment, abuse, accountability. and IETF mailing lists

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Fri, 03 June 2022 23:08 UTC

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Subject: Re: Harassment, abuse, accountability. and IETF mailing lists
To: tom petch <daedulus@btconnect.com>, Pete Resnick <resnick=40episteme.net@dmarc.ietf.org>, Lars Eggert <lars@eggert.org>
Cc: Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>, John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com>, art-ads@ietf.org, IETF discussion list <ietf@ietf.org>
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From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2022 11:08:25 +1200
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On 04-Jun-22 04:27, tom petch wrote:
...
> 
> A new non-WG list was announced yesterday including the text 'For
> additional information, contact the list administrators' with no
> indication who they might be or anywhere where they might be identified.
> 
> Yes, administrators are elusive.

The Welcome message after you subscribe is no more helpful (and even
lies: "Normally, Mailman will remind you of your ietf.org mailing list
passwords once every month").

If it isn't possible to patch those messages because they are baked into
Mailman, that's another argument why the pages under our control such as
https://datatracker.ietf.org/list/nonwg should contain the appropriate
contact details.

     Brian

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