Re: Bad/Good ideas and damage control by experienced participants

[Phillip Hallam-Baker <[e-mail]>]

On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 5:39 AM Keith Moore <[e-mail]>
wrote:

> On 6/21/22 05:05, Lloyd W wrote:
>
> > it takes a village to raise a baby.
> > it should take an IETF to raise a newbie.
> >
> > Everyone's job, etc.
>
> concur.    And if there's not a functioning IETF community that has the
> shared goal of building and maintaining the Internet ecosystem for the
> general good, I don't see how that can work. But IETF has largely
> destroyed the sense of community that once existed.
>
> Though an alternative path might be to develop an academic discipline of
> Internet protocol engineering, and expect Internet protocol engineers to
> have degrees in that discipline.   But I don't have a tremendous amount
> of faith in academia to preserve wisdom.   Better than nothing, I suppose.
>

Academia is broken as a research venue. Its publish or perish and you can
only publish if you are following fashion. So appling 1990s technology to
securing data at rest isn't going to win anyone tenure.

The problem I see in the IETF is that the Internet is being turned into a
series of walled gardens and the IETF can't do anything to stop that
because most of the participants work for one of the companies busy
building the walls.

The issue isn't unique to IETF either. There are dozens of IoT alliances,
most of which have multiple big players involved. But they are all built
around enabling the MBA school dream of imposing a razor and blades model
on consumers. As if it makes any sense for consumers to pay $10/month to
subscribe to a service so they can turn their lights on and off.