Re: Bad/Good ideas and damage control by experienced participants (was: Harassment, abuse, accountability. and IETF mailing lists)

[Viktor Dukhovni <[e-mail]>]

On Tue, Jun 14, 2022 at 04:11:19AM +0100, Barry Leiba wrote:

> For what it's worth, we have collectively used "greybeard" to refer to
> long-time IETF participants, for various reasons and don't further
> this particular conversation, and it's not fair to say that we can use
> it to refer to ourselves but others can't use it to refer to us.  We
> can have a separate discussion about whether it's a non-inclusive term
> that's an artifact of the past and better let go, but at this point
> it's neither ageist nor misandrist to use it.

FWIW, I do from time to time refer to a somewhat well-known comic form
of this meme:

    https://dilbert.com/strip/1995-06-24

Usually on the Postfix-users list, when the problem sure looks like the
OP has an under-powered or much too dated system.  This is both somewhat
self-deprecating, but at the same time exactly what the comic is about.

I do hope that the strip in question does not become taboo...

--
    Viktor.