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Re: Bad/Good ideas and damage control by experienced participants

Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org> Tue, 21 June 2022 09:57 UTC

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Subject: Re: Bad/Good ideas and damage control by experienced participants
To: Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>
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From: Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org>
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Keith Moore wrote on 21/06/2022 01:20:
> On 6/20/22 17:33, Nick Hilliard wrote:
>> it's not helpful to characterise this in terms of "bad people". The 
>> underlying issues relate to approach and attitude, rather than 
>> personalisation. 
> 
> I'm not sure that's an improvement.  How do you judge people's "approach 
> and attitude" without making dubious assumptions about their intent?

By understanding that the two things are different. If this doesn't 
happen, we end up near the bottom of Graham's Hierarchy of Disagreement, 
which is not a good place to be for a community like the IETF.

Nick

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