Re: [73attendees] Attendance by country

["Mary Barnes" <[e-mail]>]

Definitely hotel prices (and meal prices) will be higher in SF - likely
around $50-$75 per nite for the hotel (on average) and meals I'm
guessing are going to be around $20 per day more - for the equivalent
restaurant categories as were available in Minneapolis. Given that many
companies find cutting travel costs to be an easy target, some of us are
having our daily meal expenditures (for those of us on expenses) cut
$10-$20.  

So, I agree comparing airfare only between SF and Minneapolis won't give
you a true comparison of overall costs for the two meeting sites. In
general, Minneapolis is a bargain compared to most other major U.S.
cities.  

Mary. 

-----Original Message-----
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To: 'Blaine Cook'; [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [73attendees] Attendance by country

If you compare flight prices, you should also check the hotel prices. I
assume that SF hotels will be more expensive than Minneapolis so the
overall stay will be more expensive.

Roni 

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: [73attendees] Attendance by country

I'd assume that a bigger factor than visas in this case (just guessing
here) is cost --- $700 is an awful lot of money for people who (1) may
not be employed by corporations with big expense budgets, (2) already
paying upwards of $1000 to fly to the US, and (3) live in a country
where the exchange rate and average salary make paying for things in USD
very difficult.

The ability for the IETF to comp registration fees is unmentioned during
the registration process. As I'm new to the IETF and its processes and
goals, I'm not going to presume anything, but the centre of this
discussion seems to be trying to allow as many interested attendees as
possible to attend, and therefore might be relevant.

Unpaid registration in this case indicates a desire to attend, but an
inability (not necessarily due to visa issues). The only way to find out
why people didn't attend is to ask them.

San Francisco is vastly cheaper to fly to than Minneapolis for people
outside the US; some useful data might emerge from that. If it turns out
that cost is the major factor, then Canadian venues make little sense,
since it's often more expensive to fly to Canada than anywhere in the
US.

b.

On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 9:00 PM, Richard Barnes
<[e-mail]>
wrote:
> Dale,
>
> Actually, there is a noticeable difference between CN and others: If 
> you sub-divide those 79 registrations according to who paid, you get 
> the following breakdown:
>   Yes: 31  (39%)
>   No: 48  (61%)
>
> For contrast, the breakdown for the US is as follows:
>   Yes: 484 (91%)
>   No: 22 (4%)
>   Comp: 25 (4%)
>
> If you rank countries by the percentage of attendees that are unpaid, 
> then most countries (50 of 66) have fewer than 10% unpaid.  The 
> remaining 16 countries all have >50% unpaid; they are as follows:
> UG, TN, SN, PH, ID, GH, GG, DZ, DO, CI, AF, IN, CG, BD, CN, AR Of 
> these, the leaders by far in GDP, population, and overall registration

> are CN and IN.
>
> Assuming that those who didn't pay were those unable to attend, these 
> data could indicate a notable difference between these groups.  In 
> addition, there may also be underreported problems for Indians as 
> well.
>
> --Richard
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Dale Worley <[e-mail]>
wrote:
>> I've calculated these figures from the IETF web site:
>>
>>
>> Rank    Country         Registered      % of total              cum.
%
>> of total
>>
>>  1      US              531             0.477948
0.477948
>>  2      JP              97              0.0873087
0.565257
>>  3      CN              79              0.0711071
0.636364
>>  4      DE              51              0.0459046
0.682268
>>  5      FR              39              0.0351035
0.717372
>>  6      GB              30              0.0270027
0.744374
>>  7      SE              29              0.0261026
0.770477
>>  8      CA              29              0.0261026
0.79658
>>  9      FI              28              0.0252025
0.821782
>> 10      KR              22              0.019802
0.841584
>> 11      NL              16              0.0144014
0.855986
>> 12      IT              16              0.0144014
0.870387
>> 13      IN              13              0.0117012
0.882088
>> 14      IL              12              0.0108011
0.892889
>> 15      AU              11              0.00990099
0.90279
>>
>> Taken from https://www.ietf.org/registration/attendance.py
>>
>>
>> 15 countries account for 90% of attendance (or rather, registration).
>>
>> Based on GDP, the US should have about 33% of attendance, so the 
>> observed 47% is not too much above expectation.
>>
>> Seeing that China is 3rd on the list, with 7% of attendance, if there

>> are particular visa problems regarding China, some attention should 
>> be paid to it.
>>
>> Dale
>>
>>
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