Re: [73attendees] Attendance by country

["Roni Even" <[e-mail]>]

If you compare flight prices, you should also check the hotel prices. I
assume that SF hotels will be more expensive than Minneapolis so the overall
stay will be more expensive.

Roni 

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 3:45 PM
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Subject: Re: [73attendees] Attendance by country

I'd assume that a bigger factor than visas in this case (just guessing
here) is cost --- $700 is an awful lot of money for people who (1) may
not be employed by corporations with big expense budgets, (2) already
paying upwards of $1000 to fly to the US, and (3) live in a country
where the exchange rate and average salary make paying for things in
USD very difficult.

The ability for the IETF to comp registration fees is unmentioned
during the registration process. As I'm new to the IETF and its
processes and goals, I'm not going to presume anything, but the centre
of this discussion seems to be trying to allow as many interested
attendees as possible to attend, and therefore might be relevant.

Unpaid registration in this case indicates a desire to attend, but an
inability (not necessarily due to visa issues). The only way to find
out why people didn't attend is to ask them.

San Francisco is vastly cheaper to fly to than Minneapolis for people
outside the US; some useful data might emerge from that. If it turns
out that cost is the major factor, then Canadian venues make little
sense, since it's often more expensive to fly to Canada than anywhere
in the US.

b.

On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 9:00 PM, Richard Barnes <[e-mail]>
wrote:
> Dale,
>
> Actually, there is a noticeable difference between CN and others: If
> you sub-divide those 79 registrations according to who paid, you get
> the following breakdown:
>   Yes: 31  (39%)
>   No: 48  (61%)
>
> For contrast, the breakdown for the US is as follows:
>   Yes: 484 (91%)
>   No: 22 (4%)
>   Comp: 25 (4%)
>
> If you rank countries by the percentage of attendees that are unpaid,
> then most countries (50 of 66) have fewer than 10% unpaid.  The
> remaining 16 countries all have >50% unpaid; they are as follows:
> UG, TN, SN, PH, ID, GH, GG, DZ, DO, CI, AF, IN, CG, BD, CN, AR
> Of these, the leaders by far in GDP, population, and overall
> registration are CN and IN.
>
> Assuming that those who didn't pay were those unable to attend, these
> data could indicate a notable difference between these groups.  In
> addition, there may also be underreported problems for Indians as
> well.
>
> --Richard
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Dale Worley <[e-mail]> wrote:
>> I've calculated these figures from the IETF web site:
>>
>>
>> Rank    Country         Registered      % of total              cum. %
>> of total
>>
>>  1      US              531             0.477948                0.477948
>>  2      JP              97              0.0873087               0.565257
>>  3      CN              79              0.0711071               0.636364
>>  4      DE              51              0.0459046               0.682268
>>  5      FR              39              0.0351035               0.717372
>>  6      GB              30              0.0270027               0.744374
>>  7      SE              29              0.0261026               0.770477
>>  8      CA              29              0.0261026               0.79658
>>  9      FI              28              0.0252025               0.821782
>> 10      KR              22              0.019802                0.841584
>> 11      NL              16              0.0144014               0.855986
>> 12      IT              16              0.0144014               0.870387
>> 13      IN              13              0.0117012               0.882088
>> 14      IL              12              0.0108011               0.892889
>> 15      AU              11              0.00990099              0.90279
>>
>> Taken from https://www.ietf.org/registration/attendance.py
>>
>>
>> 15 countries account for 90% of attendance (or rather, registration).
>>
>> Based on GDP, the US should have about 33% of attendance, so the
>> observed 47% is not too much above expectation.
>>
>> Seeing that China is 3rd on the list, with 7% of attendance, if there
>> are particular visa problems regarding China, some attention should be
>> paid to it.
>>
>> Dale
>>
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