Re: [73attendees] Attendance by country

["DRAGE, Keith \(Keith\)" <[e-mail]>]

We just to complete the story:
 
3GPP meetings regularly start at 9:00 on Monday morning and finish at 3:00, 4:00 or even 6:00 on Friday.
 
ETSI TISPAN meetings work similar schedules.
 
Haven't been to ITU-T for a long while, but when I used to attend SG11, they went on for 3 weeks at a time, and finished when the traslators went home on Friday, and sometimes continued after, so sometimes 5:00 or 6:00. Only relaxation on that one was that these were generally SG or WP plenaries, and therefore you could let some of the technical people go.
 
But the main point I am really making is that the shorter you make the main meeting, the greater the need for face to face ad hocs inbetween, so you may save 1 nights expenses in the main meeting by gaining an extra night and a travel bill, and another travel round trip elsewhere in the year. Plus all the problems of trying to schedule it in my already crowded calendar.
 
regards
 
Keith


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	From: Phillip Hallam-Baker [mailto:[e-mail]] 
	Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 12:39 PM
	To: DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
	Cc: John C Klensin; [e-mail]
	Subject: Re: [73attendees] Attendance by country
	
	
	IETF is the only standards body I work in that regularly schedules more than one Monday and Friday meeting a year.
	
	OASIS does not meet in plenary session. W3C only meets in plenary session once a year. 
	
	OASIS and W3C WG chairs know that they cannot schedule F2F meetings for Mondays or Fridays, just does not happen. And I can't think of an international standards body that does. IEEE, ANSI, ETSI are all parochial, at least in theory. Two have a geographic descriptor in the title and the other decided to insert itself into US politics by lobbying Congress on immigration policy.
	
	
	On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 6:54 AM, DRAGE, Keith (Keith) <[e-mail]> wrote:
	

		And the chief problem with a light Friday, is that we have found it impossible to schedule WG ad hocs anytime from lunchtime on Thursday because people have decided they are going to start going home at that time.
		 
		If you cancel Friday, then you might as well start about thinking about cancelling Thursday, etc.
		 
		Oh by the way, can we now schedule 3 ad hocs a year so we can actually get the work done.
		 
		And IETF is the only standards body I know of that seems to think the people need weekends off for those very special US participants. Many home locations of anyone outside NAR cannot make the connections to attend the Friday sessions and get home even on Saturday morning. And I finally got home from IETF last Thursday morning.
		 
		regards
		 
		Keith


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			From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Phillip Hallam-Baker
			Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 3:51 AM
			To: John C Klensin
			Cc: [e-mail] 

			Subject: Re: [73attendees] Attendance by country
			

			Either meet on Friday or start mid-day Monday.
			
			One weekend is acceptable home-wise. two weekends are not.
			
			
			On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 10:43 PM, John C Klensin <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]> > wrote:
			



				--On Wednesday, 03 December, 2008 14:42 -0600 Dean Willis
				
				<[e-mail]> wrote:
				
				>> I have to second Mary's disagreement on canceling Fridays.
				>> If there   are sessions on Friday for me I don't want to
				>> travel that day   anyway.  What's the hurry?
				>>
				>
				> Another $200 in travel costs (hotel and meals), opportunity of
				> >  $1,000 in billable time, plus an increased probability of
				> divorce costs for some attendees?
				
				
				Yep.  With small variations, that about covers it.
				
				Of course, if we also met Saturday and part of Sunday, that
				would guarantee Saturday night stays, which might help offset
				some of the travel costs (although not the hotel ones).    On
				the other hand, for those attendees for which it is relevant, it
				would probably further increase the divorce costs (or at least
				the divorce risk).
				
				       john
				





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