Re: [73attendees] Attendance by country

"Phillip Hallam-Baker" <hallam@gmail.com> Thu, 04 December 2008 19:53 UTC

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From: Phillip Hallam-Baker <hallam@gmail.com>
To: Melinda Shore <mshore@cisco.com>
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Then support my position on the IETF list on Internet architecture, NAT and
multicast.

The only reason I care about the anti-NAT fetish is that the participants
have effectively blocked the deployment of open standards for video
conferencing. The only person-person video connection that is free and
accessible to any Internet user without a download larded up with cramware
is the new Google scheme. Everything else was simply not viable as it
required a technical expert at each end to get working at all.

Not that the Google Scheme is entirely satisfactory. It only works for about
ten minutes before the clients get out of sync and will not restart, but its
a beta. And if we had a real NAT story it would not be necessary for Google
to carry the packets.

On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Melinda Shore <mshore@cisco.com> wrote:

> On 12/4/08 2:11 PM, "Scott W Brim" <sbrim@cisco.com> wrote:
> > I would work on making the face-to-face meetings almost irrelevant.
>
> Hear, hear.
>
> Melinda
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