Re: [73attendees] Attendance by country

IETF is the only standards body I work in that regularly schedules more than
one Monday and Friday meeting a year.

OASIS does not meet in plenary session. W3C only meets in plenary session
once a year.

OASIS and W3C WG chairs know that they cannot schedule F2F meetings for
Mondays or Fridays, just does not happen. And I can't think of an
international standards body that does. IEEE, ANSI, ETSI are all parochial,
at least in theory. Two have a geographic descriptor in the title and the
other decided to insert itself into US politics by lobbying Congress on
immigration policy.

On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 6:54 AM, DRAGE, Keith (Keith) <
drage@alcatel-lucent.com> wrote:

>  And the chief problem with a light Friday, is that we have found it
> impossible to schedule WG ad hocs anytime from lunchtime on Thursday because
> people have decided they are going to start going home at that time.
>
> If you cancel Friday, then you might as well start about thinking about
> cancelling Thursday, etc.
>
> Oh by the way, can we now schedule 3 ad hocs a year so we can actually get
> the work done.
>
> And IETF is the only standards body I know of that seems to think the
> people need weekends off for those very special US participants. Many home
> locations of anyone outside NAR cannot make the connections to attend the
> Friday sessions and get home even on Saturday morning. And I finally got
> home from IETF last Thursday morning.
>
> regards
>
> Keith
>
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> *From:* 73attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:73attendees-bounces@ietf.org]
> *On Behalf Of *Phillip Hallam-Baker
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 04, 2008 3:51 AM
> *To:* John C Klensin
> *Cc:* 73attendees@ietf.org
> *Subject:* Re: [73attendees] Attendance by country
>
> Either meet on Friday or start mid-day Monday.
>
> One weekend is acceptable home-wise. two weekends are not.
>
> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 10:43 PM, John C Klensin <john+ietf@jck.com<john%2Bietf@jck.com>
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> --On Wednesday, 03 December, 2008 14:42 -0600 Dean Willis
>> <dean.willis@softarmor.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> I have to second Mary's disagreement on canceling Fridays.
>> >> If there   are sessions on Friday for me I don't want to
>> >> travel that day   anyway.  What's the hurry?
>> >>
>> >
>> > Another $200 in travel costs (hotel and meals), opportunity of
>> > >  $1,000 in billable time, plus an increased probability of
>> > divorce costs for some attendees?
>>
>> Yep.  With small variations, that about covers it.
>>
>> Of course, if we also met Saturday and part of Sunday, that
>> would guarantee Saturday night stays, which might help offset
>> some of the travel costs (although not the hotel ones).    On
>> the other hand, for those attendees for which it is relevant, it
>> would probably further increase the divorce costs (or at least
>> the divorce risk).
>>
>>        john
>>
>>
>>
>>
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