Re: [73attendees] Attendance by country

Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Thu, 04 December 2008 20:06 UTC

Return-Path: <73attendees-bounces@ietf.org>
X-Original-To: 73attendees-archive@ietf.org
Delivered-To: ietfarch-73attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com
Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A1D73A68C4; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 12:06:08 -0800 (PST)
X-Original-To: 73attendees@core3.amsl.com
Delivered-To: 73attendees@core3.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 682553A68C4 for <73attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 12:06:06 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -6.599
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qeB1xwQZ4ckQ for <73attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 12:06:05 -0800 (PST)
Received: from toccata.fugue.com (toccata.fugue.com [204.152.186.142]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4E553A67FF for <73attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 12:06:05 -0800 (PST)
Received: from [10.0.1.195] (dsl081-227-056.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.227.56]) by toccata.fugue.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 25DAE34E4436; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 13:07:39 -0700 (MST)
Message-Id: <8328F83A-6034-483C-BA0B-E2229702351A@fugue.com>
From: Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>
To: "Rosen, Brian" <Brian.Rosen@neustar.biz>
In-Reply-To: <C80ADC57CB3BB64B94A9954A816306C5F7929C@STNTEXCH11.cis.neustar.com>
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 14:05:58 -0600
References: <0016361e7d947b974e045d3cb4d6@google.com><58A8A797-AB7A-4A23-BA2E-614B468E848F@fugue.com> <18744.11091.630143.477735@sbrim-mbp.local> <C80ADC57CB3BB64B94A9954A816306C5F7929C@STNTEXCH11.cis.neustar.com>
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2)
Cc: 73attendees@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [73attendees] Attendance by country
X-BeenThere: 73attendees@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9
Precedence: list
List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 73 meeting." <73attendees.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/73attendees>, <mailto:73attendees-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/pipermail/73attendees>
List-Post: <mailto:73attendees@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:73attendees-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/73attendees>, <mailto:73attendees-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes"
Sender: 73attendees-bounces@ietf.org
Errors-To: 73attendees-bounces@ietf.org

On Dec 4, 2008, at 2:29 PM, Rosen, Brian wrote:
> If you think about it, you already know that.  Just thinking about
> regular conference bridges: everyone on the bridge works better than
> some people in a room and others on the bridge.  The in room people  
> get
> better interaction between themselves but worse interaction with  
> remote
> participants: worse than if everyone was on the bridge.  The remote
> participants get horrible experience with the mix.

This is just crappy technology.   Conference bridges exist because  
they are easy, not because they are the right solution.   Offsite  
participants ought to be able to speak questions into their laptop  
mics, and wg chairs ought to be able to queue those up in order  
against the people who are actually at the mics in the room.   When  
I'm taking minutes (for some reason I do that a lot), I'd like to be  
able to ask my own questions that way, rather than having to miss  
taking part of the minutes when I go up to the mic.

However, your larger point is probably true - if *everyone* were  
remote, then a lot of the technical issues of mixing remote and in- 
person participation would go away.   But I think the experience would  
be less satisfying even for the remote participants in that case,  
because the energy of in-person participation helps to drive the  
process in a way that purely remote participation would not.

_______________________________________________
73attendees mailing list
73attendees@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/73attendees