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"DRAGE, Keith \(Keith\)" <drage@alcatel-lucent.com> Thu, 04 December 2008 11:55 UTC

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And the chief problem with a light Friday, is that we have found it impossible to schedule WG ad hocs anytime from lunchtime on Thursday because people have decided they are going to start going home at that time.
 
If you cancel Friday, then you might as well start about thinking about cancelling Thursday, etc.
 
Oh by the way, can we now schedule 3 ad hocs a year so we can actually get the work done.
 
And IETF is the only standards body I know of that seems to think the people need weekends off for those very special US participants. Many home locations of anyone outside NAR cannot make the connections to attend the Friday sessions and get home even on Saturday morning. And I finally got home from IETF last Thursday morning.
 
regards
 
Keith


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	From: 73attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:73attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Phillip Hallam-Baker
	Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 3:51 AM
	To: John C Klensin
	Cc: 73attendees@ietf.org
	Subject: Re: [73attendees] Attendance by country
	
	
	Either meet on Friday or start mid-day Monday.
	
	One weekend is acceptable home-wise. two weekends are not.
	
	
	On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 10:43 PM, John C Klensin <john+ietf@jck.com <mailto:john%2Bietf@jck.com> > wrote:
	



		--On Wednesday, 03 December, 2008 14:42 -0600 Dean Willis
		
		<dean.willis@softarmor.com> wrote:
		
		>> I have to second Mary's disagreement on canceling Fridays.
		>> If there   are sessions on Friday for me I don't want to
		>> travel that day   anyway.  What's the hurry?
		>>
		>
		> Another $200 in travel costs (hotel and meals), opportunity of
		> >  $1,000 in billable time, plus an increased probability of
		> divorce costs for some attendees?
		
		
		Yep.  With small variations, that about covers it.
		
		Of course, if we also met Saturday and part of Sunday, that
		would guarantee Saturday night stays, which might help offset
		some of the travel costs (although not the hotel ones).    On
		the other hand, for those attendees for which it is relevant, it
		would probably further increase the divorce costs (or at least
		the divorce risk).
		
		       john
		





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