Re: motivation to "join" IETF (was: the old fellowship program)

Lars Eggert <lars@eggert.org> Fri, 16 April 2021 08:21 UTC

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Subject: Re: motivation to "join" IETF (was: the old fellowship program)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 11:21:08 +0300
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Hi,

On 2021-4-15, at 21:44, Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> wrote:
> Somewhere there needs to be a resource that points IETFers who are interested in routing and addressing, or anything that touches them or relies on them, to some current information about those topics, with pointers to even more detail.   And that resource should probably also point out currently-unsolved important problems, just to get people interested (maybe kind of like the exercises in Knuth's The Art of Computer Programming books).   If good resources like this already exist, great; if not, someone needs to be recruited to write them.   And similar resources are needed for several other layers or widely-used technologies: "the web", email, transport protocols, DNS, etc.

the EDU team and EMODIR have been producing such material and organized sessions, sometimes in collaboration with the IESG. For example, "Technology Deep Dive - Modern Router Architecture" at IETF-104: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/104/materials/slides-104-wgtlgo-forwarding-plane-realities-00.pdf. Similar sessions on other part of the architecture have been done or are being prepared.

Participants who are interested in preparing and holding such sessions - or help with the IETF's education, mentoring and outreach activities - should get in contact with emo-dir@ietf.org.

Thanks,
Lars