Re: the old fellowship program, was Wow, we're famous

Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> Wed, 14 April 2021 20:51 UTC

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Subject: Re: the old fellowship program, was Wow, we're famous
To: John Levine <johnl@taugh.com>, ietf@ietf.org
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Hiya,

On 14/04/2021 19:59, John Levine wrote:
>   We want to resume it
> with a selection process that finds people who can benefit from IETF
> meetings and are likely to be ongoing IETF contributors.

Good stuff. Suggestion: try get some set of people similar
to a subset of WG chairs to help evaluate submissions. (But
don't ask WG chairs to evaluate submissions related to their
WGs - the directorate tooling might help there.) I think the
goal of helping people already involved is one that's
worthwhile enough that it'd be a shame if selections
were done by people uninvolved. Another suggestion: maybe
talk to OTF and similar people who fund fellowship things
to see what they'd suggest that's much better than my
suggestions:-)

Trying to figure out how to help people not already involved
is another topic, but should be separable I'd guess.

Cheers,
S.