Re: Wow, we're famous, was WG Review: Effective Terminology in IETF Documents (term)

S Moonesamy <> Sat, 17 April 2021 11:10 UTC

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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 04:03:35 -0700
To: Nico Williams <>,
From: S Moonesamy <>
Subject: Re: Wow, we're famous, was WG Review: Effective Terminology in IETF Documents (term)
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Hi Nico,
At 11:43 AM 14-04-2021, Nico Williams wrote:
>Fernando has pointed out repeatedly that ISOC used to have a sponsorship
>program for participants from economically disadvantaged countries, and
>that this program has been terminated.
>But we _care_ so *so* much!

Your point, from what I understood, is that people which care about 
participants from economically disadvantaged countries would not have 
been quiet on hearing that the program which was set up to provide 
financial support to those participants was terminated.  John Levine 
pointed out that "The people would come to a meeting but then 
wouldn't write I-Ds or continue to engage with the IETF".  There was 
a discussion about the program in 2013 [1].  In general, it doesn't 
take seven years to figure out that a program is mismanaged.

I haven't seen any complaint about the termination of the sponsorship 
program; it could be different in the region where Fernando is 
located.  The important question is whether broad participation is in 
the interest of an organization which promotes itself as a a large 
open international community concerned with the evolution of the 
Internet architecture and the smooth operation of the Internet.  It 
would be difficult to influence the operational side without broad 
participation.  There is also a perception of regulatory capture when 
there is overrepresentation of a few companies in the standards 
development process.

S. Moonesamy