Re: adapting IETF in light of github and similar tools

Eliot Lear <> Tue, 20 April 2021 16:56 UTC

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Subject: Re: adapting IETF in light of github and similar tools
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 18:56:36 +0200
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> On 20 Apr 2021, at 18:08, John Levine <> wrote:
> It appears that Lloyd W  <> said:
>>> And if you're the least bit concerned about anti-trust laws, you would
>>> want to be well away from that control point.
>> Microsoft, famed for antitrust, controls GitHub.
> It was obvious at the time that MS bought Github defensively, to ensure that Facebook
> or someone else didn't buy it instead.  There were more MS employees contributing to
> open source projects on Githunb than any other employer and I think there still are.
> There are certainly reasons to worry about depending on an unpaid third party but
> MS subverting Github is rather low on my list of concerns.

We have to decide what business we’re in.  If we are in the tooling business and want to compete with Microsoft, then we should be concerned.  But as a standards organization, I don’t think we are.  I think we are in the business of doing open standards.  And it’s not as if Microsoft forces people to use Word and Excel on Github, or even provides a comfortable experience on GH for those apps.