Re: [113attendees] hybrid meetings: the worst of both worlds

[Robert Moskowitz <[e-mail]>]

On 3/25/22 09:34, Leif Johansson wrote:
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> I spent the week onsite in Wienna...
>
> As usual the arrangements are great and the local host made this a 
> very nice experience.
>
> And then there is the hybrid meeting thing... imo hybrid works well as 
> technology and completely sucks on a human level.
>
> This statement may be controversial and/or unpopular in the IETF where 
> we're all about the tech but...
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> - hybrid means there is not enough folks onsite to create critical 
> mass for the "hallway track"

Always was my concern.  I truly miss the hallway and empty room meetings 
and quick zoom sessions to not substitute.  And I have had only one 
effective gather session.

> - remote-participation is arguably better for the technical WG process 
> than onsite at this point

NO argument there.  Perhaps better use of jabber by physical attendees?

> - remote is really bad for the informal discussions (gather is very 
> disappointing imo)

No debate.  And really gather was empty, given all who were remote. 
Granted I was only on during 'lunch' which was my breakfast.

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> The most efficient WG were where most of the contributurs had decided 
> to show up onsite.

All that I attended (other than plenary) had very empty rooms.  Good 
progress was still made.

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> The most important discussions I had were (as usual) not in a WG meeting.
>
> Maybe the IETF needs to rehink the purpouse of onsite meetings.

I am worried about shmoo pushing 1 F2F per year.

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> We have made the remote experience so good that the "professionalized" 
> aspect of churning out RFCs doesn't really need onsite.
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> However, an IETF with no human interaction might be professional but 
> it won't be efficient.
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>     Cheers Leif
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