Re: [113attendees] hybrid meetings: the worst of both worlds

[Robert Moskowitz <[e-mail]>]

The hackathon room may work for this.  The online participants can go to 
the appropriate table.  I have used the virtual whiteboard; works well 
with my Wacom tablet.

But then there would need to be LCSD screens at the physical tables.

On 3/25/22 11:44, Joris Baum wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I was in the same situation. This was my first on-site IETF and I took 
> part in the IETF since 109. You summed it up quite nicely!
>
> I just had a weird idea I wanted to share. Even though the remote 
> hallway discussion experience will probably always be a bit lacking 
> behind, maybe one way to improve this is to have something like 
> "gather areas" on-site. Something like a bridge between virtual and 
> on-site. An open space in the hallway with a mic and a big screen 
> where people from on-site and gather could talk to each other without 
> a big communication barrier.
>
> Regards,
>
> Joris
>
>
> On 25.03.22 15:31, Jan-Frederik Rieckers wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> as a first time on-site attendee I'd like to add my 2ct here.
>>
>> I have attended 3 IETFs before, but all of them only remotely. Since 
>> my interest was in only one working group, I have attended only the 
>> meeting of this particular WG and (almost) nothing else.
>>
>> Although the area of interest has not changed for me, I attended a 
>> session in almost any slot and while I could not really contribute 
>> there, I have seen some interesting drafts, that I will definitely 
>> look into after this meeting.
>>
>> Being on site instead of online definitely has pushed me to actually 
>> attend these sessions. If I hat participated at home I'd probably 
>> have only attended one or two sessions of my personal interest.
>>
>> The second thing as new attendee is the mentioned hallway 
>> discussions. I have met a number of people here, who I would have 
>> never met if I attended online.
>> I don't have the feeling that there was a lack of on site 
>> participants to create a 'critical mass', but I haven't been to any 
>> other IETF meeting, so my sample size is 1.
>>
>> When being on site, opening the gather is not really possible, and 
>> for the remote participants, you may try to get other work done 
>> instead of joining the gather.
>> Also, the psychological barrier to "bust in" or to actively come up 
>> to a person in gather is quite high for me, so being on site and just 
>> greeting people on the hallway and then having them invite me into 
>> their communication has helped me to get to know people.
>>
>> I don't have a solution for the gap between onsite and gather or the 
>> gather participation either (maybe a few ideas but probably they only 
>> sound good in my head).
>>
>> I don't think that the hybrid meeting was is "the worst of both 
>> worlds" although it definitely had potential for improvement.
>>
>> But what my main take-away from this IETF was, and what I would 
>> probably not have learned if the IETF was completely remote:
>>
>> * There are a lot of interesting people here and I want to get to 
>> know them. And knowing them helps you to find out who to ask.
>> * There are a lot of interesting topics and it is really good to look 
>> beyond the horizon
>>
>>
>> As Leif already wrote, the missing human interaction will probably 
>> lead to a distance between the participants, that could lead to a 
>> serious turn in the consensus principle and the discussions. If you 
>> know the person on a personal level and you had a drink with them, 
>> your discussions will more likely stay on the professional level, if 
>> this personal touch is missing, the discussions can get personal very 
>> quickly (I have experienced exactly this behavior in some other 
>> contexts already)
>>
>> From my experience the IETF is a very welcoming community and I am so 
>> glad that I had the opportunity to be here in person.
>>
>> Greetings
>> Janfred
>

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