Re: [113attendees] hybrid meetings: the worst of both worlds

[Toerless Eckert <[e-mail]>]

Hmm..

On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 06:03:22PM +0000, Mike Bishop wrote:
> Indeed. The number of passionate disagreements that can be solved by "The four people who care are going to go have lunch, then present a consensus position at tomorrow's session" cannot be understated. In virtual land, the arguments stretch on for weeks or months.

If exactly and only the very same four people would have had lunch together via 
gather.town in a privat corner, how much different/worse would the result have been ?

IMHO, if those people knew each other from in before in person, the virtual
meeting would come quite close, maybe even better if some more tooling at home/gather
would have helped (restaurant napkins have their limits).

Cheers
    Toerless

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> From: Jen Linkova <[e-mail]>
> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2022 1:59 PM
> To: Leif Johansson
> Cc: [e-mail]; Wes Hardaker
> Subject: Re: [113attendees] hybrid meetings: the worst of both worlds
> 
> On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 3:36 PM Leif Johansson <[e-mail]> wrote:
> > I'm suggesting that there might come a time (soon probably) where there are no obstacles to travel
> > but the technology is "good enough" for remote *execpt* for all the reasons the IETF is more than
> > a set of WGs...
> >
> > At that point we should either give up on f2f entirely (and I think give up on the IETF as something
> > more than the I-Ds it produces) *OR* figure out another reason for people to want to travel.
> 
> As my experience this week was completely different, I - rather
> selfishly, indeed - hope that your proposal wouldn't be implemented
> any time soon.
> In the last 5 days I managed to make more progress than in the last 2
> years and I can't wait for Philadelphia already.
> IMHO IETF f2f meetings are a great example of holism, when the whole
> is greater than the sum of its parts.
> It's not about presenting a draft during a WG session or having a
> meeting/drink with colleagues. It's also about having the latter right
> after the former - while energy and enthusiasm are still high. The
> sessions and presentations give us food for thoughts and discussions
> between sessions (so IMHO we shall have much longer breaks).
> 
> For me there is another benefit of f2f meetings, even if not everyone
> is here. There are WGs which I'm actively participating in (well, at
> least I try..) - during the virtual meetings I was joining those
> sessions even if it was 2am my time. But there are many other sessions
> which I found very educational, and I did learn a lot this week by
> attending them. It's a completely different story for virtual IETFs
> though -  I just can't afford attending everything I'm curious about..
> 
> To sum it up: I wish there were more people, but still this IETF is
> the best one for me since 2020.
> 
> 
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