Re: [113attendees] hybrid meetings: the worst of both worlds

[Yoav Nir <[e-mail]>]

A virtual interim would be a little better. It would be at a time convenient to all of us, we would have just the interested people (even if that’s 5) and we can have them whenever it’s convenient, not just in IETF week.

Avoiding that picture of a big room with three people sitting in the back is also a plus.

As we learn how to make these hybrid meetings work, we may want to avoid having groups like that meet within IETF week. Virtual interims are still available. Perhaps it’s better to leave that slot available to groups that can make good use of it, like OAuth or TLS or LAMPS (to name just a few groups I know that could use more time).

Yoav

> On 26 Mar 2022, at 11:11, Rifaat Shekh-Yusef <[e-mail]> wrote:
> 
> Hi Yoav,
> 
> That meeting was bad, but would moving it to fully virtual meeting have made it any better? I do not think so, since, as you already mentioned, the majority were remote anyway. 
> 
> There are so many factors that can impact the performance of a WG: the number of people attending, the interests of people in the work being discussed, the energy in the WG, etc. 
> 
> I guess I am arguing against fully virtual meeting in the future. There is no way that we can get even close to the results of meeting in person. 
> 
> Regards,
>  Rifaat
> 
> 
> On Saturday, March 26, 2022, Yoav Nir <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
> Hi, Rifaat
> 
> > On 25 Mar 2022, at 18:03, Rifaat Shekh-Yusef <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
> > 
> > Leif,
> > 
> > I had a very positive experience with the OAuth WG meetings.
> > 
> > We had two official meetings and two side meetings.
> > With the official meetings, most of the attendees were local, but we had good participation from remote attendees too.
> > The side meeting allowed us to discuss other topics that resulted in making progress that was later presented during the second official meeting, Another topic was discussed and we have a plan on how to proceed from here.
> > One random hallway chat with someone that noticed that I chair the OAuth WG and provided me with verbal feedback on his experience using OAuth. We discussed that briefly and I asked him if he is willing to share his thoughts with the WG. As a result, that person created a few slides that captured his feedback and presented these to the WG the next day during one of the side meetings.
> > 
> > It would be really difficult to get even closer to what we achieved during this week if it was completely virtual.
> 
> But compare and contrast that with the experience of I2NSF, where there were 3-6 people in the room (other than you), and where the chairs, the presenters, pretty much everyone but Diego were remote.
> 
> Was the I2NSF experience any better than a virtual interim?
> 
> Yoav
> 
> BTW: Thanks again for sitting in for us.
>