Re: [113attendees] hybrid meetings: the worst of both worlds

Behcet Sarikaya <sarikaya2012@gmail.com> Mon, 28 March 2022 20:44 UTC

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Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2022 15:44:20 -0500
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Subject: Re: [113attendees] hybrid meetings: the worst of both worlds
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On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 3:39 PM Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
wrote:

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> Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> wrote:
>     > I would though encourage the IESG to be more radical with the f2f
>     > agenda time than was the case for 113. My particular
>     > suggestion/hobby-horse would be to run the hackathon Mon-Thu in the
>     > mornings and WG sessions/plenary/other things in the afternoons. As
>     > others have said, we could also encourage use of online interims for
>
> It's an interesting suggestion, and I think we should try it somehow.
> It may be too radical a change for some.
>
> (As a fellow morning-hater, I would personally find that order a problem.
> I hack better in the evening, and sessions are a good motivation to wake
> up)
>
>

Michael, Morning changes based on where you are like for IETF 113, all
sessions happened in the morning for me attending from Dallas :)

Behcet


> I wrote that we should have far fewer sessions during f2f time in my
> "many-fine-dinners" draft, which was not I think, well received by SHMOO.
>
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