Re: [113attendees] hybrid meetings: the worst of both worlds

Robert Moskowitz <rgm@labs.htt-consult.com> Fri, 25 March 2022 16:38 UTC

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On 3/25/22 12:28, NA-NiC wrote:
> Antoine,
>
> I came there to listen, and sat in a number of different tracks in 
> addition to DNSOP which is where my interest lies, and agree with 
> every point you made.
>
> Many presentations were incredibly detailed, with very busy and 
> sometime impossible to read slides, quite long with very little time 
> for debate. While not everybody has good verbal presentation skills, 
> maybe this is something to look at. Kawasaki’s 10-20-30(20) rule comes 
> to mind.

I had always tried to download the slides and follow along when I was in 
the room unless I was sitting right up front.  Of course that was before 
my cataract surgery (just before this nonsense) so I can probably now 
handle all the way back to the middle of the room!  :)

And jabber is great.  You can be sitting in one session and jabbering 
about another.


> And almost on every single presentation there was an issue with screen 
> sharing in the beginning, which decreased in amusement value quickly 
> over the days.
>
> The chair microphones were in most rooms not loud enough to understand 
> at the back of the rooms, the remote audio was great.

This was a real issue for us remote.  Often even with the sound all the 
way up, I could not hear the person(s) at the desk.  then a remote 
speaker would come in and I have to quickly turn the volume down.  Part 
of the problem was mask wearing; that tended to muffle speakers.


>
> I did like the IETFer App, but would have liked to be able to check in 
> to the Blue Sheet from the App  instead of just the QR.
>
> el
>
> —
> Sent from Dr Lisse’s iPhone/iPad
> On 25. Mar 2022, 16:58 +0100, Antoine FRESSANCOURT 
> <antoine.fressancourt=40huawei.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, wrote:
>
>     Hello,
>     This was my first in person IETF meeting and while I enjoyed meeting people in person in the hallway and put a face on names I see on the mailing lists, I think the « official agenda » part of the meeting would have been a better experience online than onsite:
>     - the chat is not available on the mobile site for meetecho and lots of discussions occur there. « Oh it is discussed in the chat » is frustrating when you are in the room.
>     - often we couldn’t see the face of people talking remotely
>     - in many WG meetings, I had the impression to attend reporting that could have been an email while actual technical discussions on items of the WG were pushed to the mailing list for the sake of a lack of time.
>     The last point might be the one that puzzles me the most. What is the point meeting in person to push discussions on online tools ? And why do we need to have WG activity reporting as slides rather than an email ?
>     My 2 cents,
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     Antoine FRESSANCOURT
>
>
>  […]
>