Re: [113attendees] hybrid meetings: the worst of both worlds

[Michael Richardson <[e-mail]>]

Robert Moskowitz <[e-mail]> wrote:
    >> - remote-participation is arguably better for the technical WG process
    >> than onsite at this point

    > NO argument there.  Perhaps better use of jabber by physical attendees?

I think that the same number of people were directly in jabber as usual.
Yes, the huge influx of meetecho mediated people were not there because the
on-site meetecho did not do chat.  Some people did use the full interface
on-site, but for me, the "killer" reason to use the on-site version from the
mobile phone is that it gave me the slide clicker.

    >> - remote is really bad for the informal discussions (gather is very
    >> disappointing imo)

    > No debate.  And really gather was empty, given all who were
    > remote. Granted I was only on during 'lunch' which was my breakfast.

On a laptop screen there just isn't space to do gather.
On a dual screen desktop, it works.  But more importantly, during the breaks,
which is when people might to do gather, we, on-site, were collecting cookies
and chatting.

If gather had a place where I could walk up to a big screen (with my kaffe
und kekse) and chat with remote people, I would have done that.

    >> The most efficient WG were where most of the contributurs had decided
    >> to show up onsite.

    > All that I attended (other than plenary) had very empty rooms.  Good
    > progress was still made.

The rooms were in general very empty.
I took pictures, partly to reduce anxiety of my family.

    >> The most important discussions I had were (as usual) not in a WG
    >> meeting.
    >> 
    >> Maybe the IETF needs to rehink the purpouse of onsite meetings.

    > I am worried about shmoo pushing 1 F2F per year.

There are pluses and minues about such a process, and I think that we might
get to such a thing in ten years.   I think that probably we should.
But, I don't know how to get there, and I don't think we should force.
(I also don't think that shmoo is pushing towards that *AT ALL*)

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