Re: [113attendees] hybrid meetings: the worst of both worlds

Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Fri, 25 March 2022 21:12 UTC

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Comments: In-reply-to Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> message dated "Fri, 25 Mar 2022 16:51:45 +0100."
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Subject: Re: [113attendees] hybrid meetings: the worst of both worlds
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Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
    > I was remote, but definitely benefitted from the additional energy that
    > the on-site participants had.  We built our own half-rooms for some
    > side discussions; that should be supported some more.

A number of rooms (IESG, HOST) had monster TVs with hard to understand
interfaces that we tried to use.  For HOMENET rechartering Eric tried to make
the TV work with webex, but audio didn't pass through, so we gave that up.

A lot of these conference systems support SIP.  At least Zoom and webex have
SIP URLs that lead into them.  It's kinda amazing that the conference screen
may actually drag us out of the vendor proprietary vertical back into
standards based communication.

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