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Re: [113attendees] remote-inclusiveness (was: Re: hybrid meetings: the worst of both worlds)

Kyle Rose <krose@krose.org> Sun, 27 March 2022 01:05 UTC

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From: Kyle Rose <krose@krose.org>
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2022 19:04:56 -0600
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To: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
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Subject: Re: [113attendees] remote-inclusiveness (was: Re: hybrid meetings: the worst of both worlds)
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On Sat, Mar 26, 2022, 6:54 AM Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
wrote:

>
> I've been doing 1 meeting remote since around 2004.
> I got multicast IP to work once, but then the IETF abandonned that method.
> I know all about how remote people get "excluded", but ...
>
> Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> wrote:
>     > One wish i have is that people on-site should be remote-inclusive
>     > whenever they do announce/organize an activity that easily could
>     > include remote participation.
>
> I don't have that wish.
> I wish that people who want to organize side meetings with remote people
> would just have a "zoom" meeting next week, with all the people remote.
>
>     > And no: using the words "bar" and "bof" together is not a valid
> excuse
>
> I want us to return to bar bofs happenning in bars with beer and napkins.
>

Agreed.

More generally, there would be little point in traveling were all
interactions handicapped to the degree that would be required for full
remote participant equity. The IETF should provide reasonable accommodation
for remote attendees (which IMO includes things like the new local/remote
mic queue discipline) but accept that there is value in *being there* that
cannot be replicated by remote attendees via any near-term telepresence
technology.

Moreover, the IETF should not apologize for wanting to maximize the
benefits of the reality we inhabit. These are constraints not under our
control.

Kyle

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