Re: [113attendees] hybrid meetings: the worst of both worlds

Robert Moskowitz <rgm@labs.htt-consult.com> Fri, 25 March 2022 22:21 UTC

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On 3/25/22 18:13, Leif Johansson wrote:
> its ironic that this point appears to have been somewhat lost in the thread: I do *not* believe that remote can replace onsite, I just believe we will be defeated by laziness if we’re not careful…. Remote is comfortable, just not good for us.

I think there is general agreement here that remote can replace onsite.

And it is not always comfortable to be remote.  Weird hours and all 
that.  And home obligations being at hand...