Re: [Asrg] We don't need no stinkin IMAP or POP, was Adding a spam button to MUAs

Michael Thomas <> Sat, 06 February 2010 17:42 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Asrg] We don't need no stinkin IMAP or POP, was Adding a spam button to MUAs
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Pardon me since I haven't been paying complete attention, but is there 
any assumption that the
mail store itself is the one that you'd be shipping these arf reports 
to? Given that a lot of them
are Exchange which typically have little to do with anti-spam, that 
wouldn't be a very good

Mike, sorry if I'm restating the obvious

Chris Lewis wrote:
> John Levine wrote:
>>> Make the ARF reporting address a configurable option, but default it 
>>> to a role account at the email domain of the machine from which 
>>> incoming mail is obtained.
>> Now it's not opt-in by the mailstore provider.
> We need to have it self-configuring if the mailstore provides the 
> service.  Which either means a standard role account for it, or, some 
> way for the mailstore to tell the UA what address to use.
> IOW: pure user configurable doesn't do that.
> In-stream configuration (via MDA or MTA) would work, but it requires 
> the MDA/MTA be modified.  Which we're avoiding.
> We've been talking about using DNS for some of the signalling.  You 
> could specify a "_report.<mailstore hostname>" TXT record that 
> specifies the address (which isn't necessarily in the mailstore's 
> domain) to send it _and_ its very existence shows that the mailstore 
> provider supports the functionality (and thus the TiS button gets 
> enabled).
> Now, if the TXT record doesn't exist, we could suggest that the user 
> could set their own abuse report destination.  But I'd rather not get 
> into a situation where the user overrides the mailstore's explicit 
> choice.
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