Re: [Asrg] Adding a spam button to MUAs

ram <ram@netcore.co.in> Fri, 18 December 2009 08:46 UTC

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On Tue, 2009-12-15 at 20:48 -0500, Rich Kulawiec wrote:

> I think allowing end users access to such a button is a terrible idea.
> This is the same population that routinely replies to spam, falls for
> phishes, and fails to correctly execute rudimentary tasks like unsubscribing
> from a mailing list or trimming quoted material from replies.  It would
> be simpler and about as accurate to simply check a random number generator's
> output for a "spam?/not-spam?" opinion.
> 
> ---Rsk
> 


The risk of misreporting doesnt mean that we dont accept reports at
all. 
The MUA should have such easy to use buttons , and the mailserver must
have a protocol to accept the "TIS" complaints

The server may decide to send an ARF report or not. The server should
send the report only if the mails is authenticated ( DKIM or SPF etc ) 
and the mails have valid X-Abuse-To: headers