Re: [IAB] RFC Series Editor Resignation

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Thu, 20 June 2019 00:11 UTC

Return-Path: <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E8DE12049B; Wed, 19 Jun 2019 17:11:51 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.998
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D4uvzkaskFyl; Wed, 19 Jun 2019 17:11:49 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-pf1-x42f.google.com (mail-pf1-x42f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::42f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 30C72120497; Wed, 19 Jun 2019 17:11:49 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-pf1-x42f.google.com with SMTP id r7so559961pfl.3; Wed, 19 Jun 2019 17:11:49 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=s2tq0giXvt2bk2x0ha5BGY3olaPspPKA107lEemXjes=; b=inBDk83s3vSDxIB58BXfep6jT2//VWWtjP8o9HyLJQmR/LEG+u0uisnQRcdl3oDHzJ lp0xd/3dWSlcQ+jCmUBPBMv4J1ONJ9pKJJdQZHf+Jxygm6W/V41MWY+h+WNYxA73Tn7v BMqiF1g55TXrHYoPEqRnZ3IZ2m4Z3dFzdmtXSLCuidQvlvTPFT/Uk+7zmzrbN6sfzcL9 rbttstcaGikltRUSAYrEPD3J2nk3dpmucIFIk02n6f/5sjkVOp3Eh4JBaQGxIRCfZFTn tBKQLvEdJIEOM9KvvuBFLd3mlX2Pi6tq+ZYPkPfazNEnh7H5ubkp1eKwtwrTe2pi4xfr wJ/w==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=s2tq0giXvt2bk2x0ha5BGY3olaPspPKA107lEemXjes=; b=KjTayioQCDZJGm0KGl58Wcp3KGIqbLiZgFTexeolUtxXbwITlZ3z7KKwMqtPjovjSD gV3w/k06eGQtqiRjI0Tj5BlGoQMu9stg4oNc1n3zR/Ihu0Hm13jj+WSxGMRc7aw39ZDf WvL+RKr93yFkhWye+EA4TI6pAMKlPl/3TVAfqTQPkkBHX4eaK22tp7UVd0rRwLTvOOc5 kQI4mXJqmzgAzd0bW2r7wFRsIpJ/nDBaxMHCvKUYVIS4NKcQmWjN5LSugWYUDWrfQwBW m/hoVLPDWbYr+VBMBf4wkS8tPFzrr1Ex3hovzSJ0vUyf8v9lOIqZUe3e+dSmZpaSmGB1 mcOA==
X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXHsEqn7JIBQ1Ty8uqm+vrgd+0ruzqxP+oLJWMadB008H6ImLrG oCXlCXxdAtZ6txiMVoVhjcE3Tsid
X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqygs9Gm29if+AbsNLgKnctGESwBFfITp5DyQvCyCd5qbvEPIHTaM8PbUBqzwNzSAzhbA9gmqA==
X-Received: by 2002:a65:500d:: with SMTP id f13mr10061168pgo.151.1560989508472; Wed, 19 Jun 2019 17:11:48 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from [192.168.178.30] (32.23.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz. [123.255.23.32]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j14sm19659738pfe.10.2019.06.19.17.11.45 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 19 Jun 2019 17:11:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [IAB] RFC Series Editor Resignation
To: Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com>
Cc: Alexander Neilson <alexander@neilson.net.nz>, Aaron Falk <aaron.falk@gmail.com>, IAB Executive Administrative Manager <execd@iab.org>, LLC-Board@ietf.org, IAB IAB <iab@iab.org>, IETF Discussion <ietf@ietf.org>
References: <685B34F6-E0E2-4050-B9DD-615F475F62B7@encrypted.net> <58D30A55-FB45-476B-997F-1D9D58E89AE0@gmail.com> <A24BDAB9-B118-4A8A-A6DF-D2094ABF3E33@neilson.net.nz> <e4251435-b786-4bb4-0065-c76bc96f1eeb@gmail.com> <CA+9kkMAqQRSnCDcdKYiGiMMT=maU4wSriPJDfxQBgimh3K-wsQ@mail.gmail.com>
From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c43d2969-dabb-2af5-e2f5-3aad2403f68f@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2019 12:11:43 +1200
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.1
MIME-Version: 1.0
In-Reply-To: <CA+9kkMAqQRSnCDcdKYiGiMMT=maU4wSriPJDfxQBgimh3K-wsQ@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-Language: en-US
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/-iMIuvlqGyf1zBbTnwN5C72u93o>
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ietf/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2019 00:11:51 -0000

Hi Ted,
On 20-Jun-19 03:13, Ted Hardie wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 9:46 PM Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com <mailto:brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>     What Sarah's message didn't make quite clear is that the 2021 re-bid would be two years early, given that the full term of the current contract ends 6 years from 1/1/2018. (https://iaoc.ietf.org/documents/RSE-2018-Independent-Contractor-24Oct17-Public.pdf,
>     Clause 3 "TERM").
> 
> 
> First, you should note that this contract, like the others ISOC held on behalf of the IETF was assigned to the IETF LLC. 
> 
> This is the text from the section you cite.
> 
> 3.TERM:ISOC, at the request of the IAOC which is acting on behalf of the IAB and RFCSeries Oversight Committee (RSOC), desires to engage the Contractor to fulfill theresponsibilities of the RSE.
> a. Term: The term of this Agreement is two years (the “Term”) beginning on the Effective Date.
> b. Extensions: This Agreement may be extended twice by mutual written agreementof the parties (the “Extensions”), with each Extension being for a period of up to two years.
>  
> As Alexander noted, the base term is two years, and it may be extended.

Yes, but as Sarah said
 "The difference here is that the RSOC decided proactively to recommend to put the contract out to bid again" after the first (not the final) extension to the 2018 contract. That decision was two years ahead of the normal course of events, and that is what has surprised many of us.

   Brian


> The RSOC review Sarah referenced is the review which takes place every two years to consider these extension or, if no further extensions are permitted, to create an RFP.  In this case the RSOC recommended an extension, but Heather did not "mutually agree".
> 
> regards,
> 
> Ted Hardie