Re: RFC Series Editor Resignation

[Richard Barnes <[e-mail]>]

I assume you mean that you disagree with her (and the Sergeant-at-Arms')
evaluation that Mike was using unprofessional language?  Even if that's the
case, it's clear that the intent is to address tone, not content.



On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 10:59 AM Keith Moore <[e-mail]>
wrote:

> With respect, I believe Alissa was incorrect in her assertions.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 3, 2019, at 10:57 AM, Richard Barnes <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> I would invite you to re-read Alissa's message, which is explicit that the
> issue is Mike's "repeated use of unprofessional language" -- not anything
> to do with his arguments.
>
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 10:52 AM Keith Moore <[e-mail]>
> wrote:
>
>> No, what is being talked about is the suppression of necessary and
>> constructive speech out of a misguided idea that telling the truth is
>> disrespectful.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 3, 2019, at 10:49 AM, Richard Barnes <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>> Nobody is talking about varnishing truth, Keith.  They're talking about
>> treating fellow contributors with respect.  There's a big gap between those
>> two ideas.
>>
>> --Richard
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 10:42 AM Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics..com
>> <[e-mail]>> wrote:
>>
>>> I believe such rules (or something akin to them [*]) are essential to
>>> productive technical discussion and therefore essential to IETF.  I also
>>> believe that efforts to prevent people from telling the unvarnished truth
>>> about a technical mechanism, or a political one, are harmful to IETF in the
>>> most extreme sense possible.
>>>
>>> [*] my preferred version is closer to “Criticize ideas, not people.  But
>>> criticize harmful ideas when necessary to prevent harm even if there’s a
>>> risk that people will take such criticism personally. “
>>>
>>> Keith
>>>
>>> > On Jul 3, 2019, at 10:13 AM, Job Snijders <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > believe "Crocker's Rules" are incompatible with the IETF process and
>>> > as such notifications via IETF's communication channels about whether
>>> > someone adheres to Crocker's Rules or not, don't serve a purpose.
>>>
>>>