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Re: Effective discourse in the IETF

Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Thu, 04 July 2019 01:00 UTC

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From: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
To: Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>
cc: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>, "ietf@ietf.org" <ietf@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: Effective discourse in the IETF
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Someone else wrote:
    >>> If a speaker withholds useful input because he/she perceives it would be
    >>> impolite, or taken as impolite, that impedes IETF's goals.

    >>> If people suppress useful input because they perceive it as impolite,
    >>> that also impedes IETF's goals.
    >>
    >>> If an audience discredits useful input because he/she perceives it as
    >>> impolite, that also impedes IETF's goals.
    >>> Have you seen evidence of that happening?  I haven't.

Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> wrote:
    > Yes, I've seen numerous examples of each of the above.

I claim it happens every time we sit through 47 slides of 9pt text crammed
into a 5 minute slot.   The chair failed to communicate with the presenter,
often because they were being too polite.

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Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works
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