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Re: Effective discourse in the IETF

Paul Wouters <paul@nohats.ca> Wed, 03 July 2019 19:12 UTC

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Subject: Re: Effective discourse in the IETF
From: Paul Wouters <paul@nohats.ca>
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> On Jul 3, 2019, at 15:01, Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> wrote:
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>>   It is not necessary to be brutally honest at all times to get good technical work done.  But it is necessary to be able to be brutally honest, for that kind of input to be tolerated and respected

Brutality does not garnish respect.

>> even when it's unsettling.     It's hard enough to stand up in the face of social pressure even when the culture tolerates dissent, and this already happens too rarely in IETF even though the culture does tolerate it to some degree.

Being brutally treated causes me more unsettlement than any kind spoken, well meaning, properly argued disagreement with me.

I hope we can all improve on our dispute handling. I surely can improve a lot, and by what I am reading above here, it seems you could improve your experience at and for the IETF as well.

Paul

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