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Re: Effective discourse in the IETF

Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Fri, 05 July 2019 17:38 UTC

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From: Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>
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Subject: Re: Effective discourse in the IETF
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2019 13:38:08 -0400
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Cc: Eric Gray <eric.gray@ericsson.com>, IETF Discuss <ietf@ietf.org>
To: Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>
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On Jul 5, 2019, at 1:03 PM, Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> wrote:
> If you think you’re definitely wrong about something, and the goal of a discussion is to find a right answer, why would you contribute that something to a discussion?  

The presumption is that I’m already in the conversation, and someone has said something to me with which I disagree.  It is at this point that presuming it is I, and not the other person, who is mistaken, is helpful.  Obviously I wouldn’t have joined the conversation in the first place if I didn’t have the (possibly mistaken) impression that I had something to add to it.  I am not proposing that that “possibly mistaken” part be presumed, and used as a reason not to contribute even though I feel that I have something to add.

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