Re: RFC Series Editor Resignation

Job Snijders <job@ntt.net> Wed, 03 July 2019 14:13 UTC

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Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2019 16:13:09 +0200
From: Job Snijders <job@ntt.net>
To: Marc Petit-Huguenin <petithug@acm.org>
Cc: John Leslie <john@jlc.net>, Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in>, ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: RFC Series Editor Resignation
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Dear Marc,

On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 06:33:27AM -0700, Marc Petit-Huguenin wrote:
> 'Declaring yourself to be operating by "Crocker's Rules" means that
> other people are allowed to optimize their messages for information,
> not for being nice to you.  

I was not aware "Crocker's rules" exists, but I am not surprised given
the variety that exists in humanity and our wild imagination.

I believe "Crocker's Rules" are incompatible with the IETF process and
as such notifications via IETF's communication channels about whether
someone adheres to Crocker's Rules or not, don't serve a purpose. And
even worse, I see potential for these rules to be harmful to our shared
dreams.

When person A consents to receiving communication in a specific style
from person B, it doesn't mean that person C, D and E who observe the
communication agreed to person's B conduct towards person A. Perhaps
Crocker's Rules have value in private communication between consenting
adults, but not in a public forum. We can't know how conduct in context
of Crocker's affects person C, D, and E or even discourages them from
participating. We have to be careful when making assumptions.

I believe it is our collective duty to be cognizant and mindful of other
people's perception and interpretation of the messages we sent, and we
can't assume they were aware of Crocker's Rules or feel comfortable
observing expressions within the framework of Crocker's Rules.

I acknowledge individual people can commit themselves to attempt to take
no offensive, but we - as IETF - have collectively committed ourselves
to follow process outlined in documents such as rfc7154. My
interpretation is there is no room for any offensive language to be
submitted in the first place, even if one or more recipients have
indicated they won't take offensive.

Crocker's Rules are not for everyone, but the IETF is for everyone.

Kind regards,

Job