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Re: Effective discourse in the IETF

Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> Wed, 03 July 2019 19:46 UTC

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From: Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>
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On 7/3/19 3:09 PM, Melinda Shore wrote:

> On 7/3/19 11:01 AM, Keith Moore wrote:
>> I may be exaggerating the situation somewhat by stating things in terms
>> of the extremes of possibility.   I agree that there is a middle
>> ground.   It is not necessary to be brutally honest at all times to get
>> good technical work done.
> It is not necessary at all to be brutal to get good technical
> work done.  It is a choice.

DIsagree.  Not brutal, but (as I said) brutally honest - which is an 
idiom.   (That's the best expression that currently comes to my mind, 
but there might be a better one.)

> I'll also point out that we use consensus-based decision-making
> in the IETF, and it may be worth a re-read (or first-time read)
> of RFC 7282.

I find this belittling and insulting.   Of course I'm aware that we used 
consensus-based decision-making.  But the appearance of consensus is 
misleading if people aren't permitted to openly express their views, 
even if they do so in a suboptimal manner.

Keith

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