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Re: Choices or language and tone (was: Re: RFC Series Editor Resignation)

Kathleen Moriarty <kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com> Wed, 03 July 2019 16:20 UTC

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From: Kathleen Moriarty <kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2019 12:20:02 -0400
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Subject: Re: Choices or language and tone (was: Re: RFC Series Editor Resignation)
To: Mary B <mary.h.barnes@gmail.com>
Cc: Richard Barnes <rlb@ipv.sx>, IETF <ietf@ietf.org>
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top posting

Perhaps to make progress, work towards a distilled list of questions
(including those that have not been answered) could be generated.
Answering many of the questions asked could be helpful in determining next
steps and a way forward.  I am not volunteering to generate that list, but
I would appreciate an organized review with lessons learned as processes
are possibly redesigned.

Best regards,
Kathleen

On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 11:24 AM Mary B <mary.h.barnes@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 9:02 AM Richard Barnes <rlb@ipv.sx> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 10:00 AM Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> --On Tuesday, July 2, 2019 20:44 -0400 Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Hi Mike,
>>> >
>>> > As I mentioned to you off-list, your request below for Ben to
>>> > use his inside voice is demeaning, unprofessional language
>>> > that is not suitable for the IETF discussion list, per RFC
>>> > 3005. Repeated use of unprofessional language may be deterring
>>> > others from voicing their opinion for fear of being
>>> > disrespected. It is important that everyone in the community
>>> > feels comfortable enough to express their own views on the
>>> > IETF discussion list if they choose to do so.
>>> > ...
>>>
>>> Alissa:
>>>
>>> Mike has raised some topics that need discussion, but the tone does
>>> worry me.  I believe the tone is keeping others from voicing their opinion,
>>> and that it is important that everyone feel comfortable enough to express
>>> their own view on this list.
>>>
>>
>> +1
>>
>> None of the issues John raises (even if I agreed with them) would excuse
>> Mike's tone.
>>
>
> [MB]   The tones went both ways. It was NOT just Mike.  Indeed, his
> response that likely was the one that caused some initial concern was in
> response to Adam, whose response was quite snarky and flippant IMHO.  [/MB]
>
>>
>> --Richard
>>
>

-- 

Best regards,
Kathleen

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