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Re: Effective discourse in the IETF

Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> Fri, 05 July 2019 17:34 UTC

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From: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>
To: Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>
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> If you think you’re definitely wrong about something, and the goal of
> a discussion is to find a right answer, why would you contribute that
> something to a discussion?

on some mailing lists, e.g. nanog, a good way to get an answer to a
question is to posit a wrong answer.  if you just ask the question,
no one will answer; but 412 people are happy to correct you. :)

of course it requires a thick skin and the ability to sort through 412
responses.

randy

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