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Re: RFC Series Editor Resignation

Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> Wed, 03 July 2019 14:53 UTC

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Subject: Re: RFC Series Editor Resignation
From: Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>
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Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2019 10:52:53 -0400
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No, what is being talked about is the suppression of necessary and constructive speech out of a misguided idea that telling the truth is disrespectful. 

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> On Jul 3, 2019, at 10:49 AM, Richard Barnes <rlb@ipv.sx> wrote:
> 
> Nobody is talking about varnishing truth, Keith.  They're talking about treating fellow contributors with respect.  There's a big gap between those two ideas.
> 
> --Richard
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 10:42 AM Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> wrote:
>> I believe such rules (or something akin to them [*]) are essential to productive technical discussion and therefore essential to IETF.  I also believe that efforts to prevent people from telling the unvarnished truth about a technical mechanism, or a political one, are harmful to IETF in the most extreme sense possible.  
>> 
>> [*] my preferred version is closer to “Criticize ideas, not people.  But criticize harmful ideas when necessary to prevent harm even if there’s a risk that people will take such criticism personally. “
>> 
>> Keith
>> 
>> > On Jul 3, 2019, at 10:13 AM, Job Snijders <job@ntt.net> wrote:
>> > 
>> > believe "Crocker's Rules" are incompatible with the IETF process and
>> > as such notifications via IETF's communication channels about whether
>> > someone adheres to Crocker's Rules or not, don't serve a purpose.
>>

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