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Re: Effective discourse in the IETF

"Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com> Wed, 03 July 2019 19:44 UTC

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From: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>
To: Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>, Paul Wouters <paul@nohats.ca>
CC: "ietf@ietf.org" <ietf@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: Effective discourse in the IETF
Thread-Topic: Effective discourse in the IETF
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Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2019 19:43:42 +0000
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>    "Brutally honest" is an idiom, not an accurate description. 

In what country? :)

>  The point 
    is, there are times when you need to err on the side of honesty, rather 
    than out of any perceptions of politeness.
  
Can you please provide an example where it was necessary to "move fast and break norms" (sic), and taking the time to be polite would have made a difference? In my experience, the IETF doesn't work at the speed that requires the former, but maybe I'm wrong.

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