Re: RFC Series Editor Resignation

Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> Wed, 03 July 2019 14:41 UTC

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Subject: Re: RFC Series Editor Resignation
From: Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>
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I believe such rules (or something akin to them [*]) are essential to productive technical discussion and therefore essential to IETF.  I also believe that efforts to prevent people from telling the unvarnished truth about a technical mechanism, or a political one, are harmful to IETF in the most extreme sense possible.  

[*] my preferred version is closer to “Criticize ideas, not people.  But criticize harmful ideas when necessary to prevent harm even if there’s a risk that people will take such criticism personally. “

Keith

> On Jul 3, 2019, at 10:13 AM, Job Snijders <job@ntt.net> wrote:
> 
> believe "Crocker's Rules" are incompatible with the IETF process and
> as such notifications via IETF's communication channels about whether
> someone adheres to Crocker's Rules or not, don't serve a purpose.