Re: RFC Series Editor Resignation

Richard Barnes <rlb@ipv.sx> Wed, 03 July 2019 14:50 UTC

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From: Richard Barnes <rlb@ipv.sx>
Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2019 10:49:59 -0400
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Subject: Re: RFC Series Editor Resignation
To: Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>
Cc: Job Snijders <job@ntt.net>, John Leslie <john@jlc.net>, IETF discussion list <ietf@ietf.org>
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Nobody is talking about varnishing truth, Keith.  They're talking about
treating fellow contributors with respect.  There's a big gap between those
two ideas.

--Richard


On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 10:42 AM Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>
wrote:

> I believe such rules (or something akin to them [*]) are essential to
> productive technical discussion and therefore essential to IETF.  I also
> believe that efforts to prevent people from telling the unvarnished truth
> about a technical mechanism, or a political one, are harmful to IETF in the
> most extreme sense possible.
>
> [*] my preferred version is closer to “Criticize ideas, not people.  But
> criticize harmful ideas when necessary to prevent harm even if there’s a
> risk that people will take such criticism personally. “
>
> Keith
>
> > On Jul 3, 2019, at 10:13 AM, Job Snijders <job@ntt.net> wrote:
> >
> > believe "Crocker's Rules" are incompatible with the IETF process and
> > as such notifications via IETF's communication channels about whether
> > someone adheres to Crocker's Rules or not, don't serve a purpose.
>
>